Determining Bullet Seating Depth
Determining proper seating depth is probably one of the most important steps in preparing accurate, custom ammunition for your own rifle, unless you are loading for functionality in a magazine.
Finding the best bullet seating depth for a specific bullet to be used in an individual rifle is critical to the accuracy level that you are trying to attain. A huge benefit of handloading over factory loads is that you can change the overall length of your loaded rounds. The impact on accuracy can be very significant, probably more so than anything else you can do other than choosing the right bullet and powder combination. Let’s define a few terms first.
Terms
Case length – length of the case as measured from the case head to the case mouth. This length is needed for determining if the case needs to be trimmed. Case length is irrelevant for what we are currently discussing regarding bullet seating, so don’t get this confused with overall length (OAL).
Overall Length (OAL) – refers to the overall length of a completed cartridge. This length can be expressed in two different ways. First, this measurement can be expressed as the length of the cartridge when measured from the case head to the bullet tip. Second, it can be expressed as the overall length of the cartridge when measured from the case head to the ogive of the bullet. The first definition or value is useful if you are loading rounds to be fed from a magazine, such as in a hunting rifle or service rifle. Obviously, the relationship between the overall length of the completed rounds and the internal dimension of the magazine is critical for the rounds to feed smoothly through the magazine. The second definition is more important to those of us who want to obtain the best accuracy we can from our rifle and handloads. When we single-feed our rifles, we can extend the overall length of the cartridge beyond the internal dimension of a magazine, but we are still limited by the overall length of the throat and sometimes by the amount of seating surface on the bullet.
Bullet Jump – a common slang term for the distance between the ogive of the bullet and the point where that particular bullet will touch the rifling. As you hang around fellow accuracy nuts, you will constantly be asked, “how much “bullet jump” are you using?” You will also hear shooters talk about their bullets being .010” off of the rifling, same thing.
Bullet Ogive – bullet ogive is defined as the “curve of a bullet’s forward section” and can be expressed as a tangent ogive or secant ogive. A bullet with a tangent ogive is one that has the cylindrical surface of the bullet tangent to the curve of the point. A bullet with a secant ogive is one that has the cylindrical surface of the bullet secant to the curve of the head. Bullets with a secant ogive usually have a very obvious transition from the bearing surface to the ogive length. When we measure seating depth on loaded round rounds, we refer to where the major diameter of the bullet begins. This spot is approximately where the bullet will first contact the rifling and approximately where the bullet will contact a bullet comparator.
Throat/Leade – Interchangeable with leade. The throat is located just forward of the chamber and is the tapered entrance leading to where the rifling begins in the barrel. The throat is an area of the rifling that has been relieved/machined to allow the bullet clearance prior to reaching the rifling. This is sometimes referred to as the unrifled section of the bore or free bore.
Rifling – Rifling refers to the parallel spiral groves cut into the barrel of the firearm. Rifling imparts the spin on the bullet.
Lands – This is the raised portion of the barrel that remains after the grooves have been cut or pressed into the barrel to make the rifling. Typically, the lands diameter of a .30 caliber barrel will be approximately 0.298” to 0.300”.
Grooves – The spiral cuts in the barrel that are made to create the lands, which together induce the bullet spin. Typically, the groove diameter in a .30 caliber barrel will measure approximately 0.307” to 0.3075”.
Everything we discuss pertaining to bullet seating from here forward is going to be about the actual overall length of our finished loaded round with respect to the bullet touching the beginning of the rifling. The measurement of this overall length with the bullet touching the rifling will be our initial reference point.
One point that many reloaders have difficulty understanding about bullet seating depth and OAL is that the overall length of a round assembled with the bullet just touching the rifling is going to be a different length than the same round with a different bullet that is also touching the rifling. Each bullet has a different shape and with the throat leading to the rifling being cut on a taper, the point of contact on the bullet is different. This is true to a lesser extent on two of the same style bullets. By using a bullet comparator, you can measure this difference within two manufacturing lots of the same bullet and often even on bullets within the same box.
The ammunition that you assemble will have a certain overall length that performs best for your particular rifle. Finding the best overall length is done during load development, but to begin with, we want to determine the length of a round with the bullet just touching the rifling. There is more than one method to find this length, but only a couple of ways that we recommend. There are only a few tools made to determine this measurement.
One method of finding the overall length is to use a Sinclair Seating Depth Tool. This tool can be used in most bolt-action rifles, single-shot rifles like the Ruger #1 and #3, Thompson Contenders/Encores, and some semi-autos like the AR-15/M16. The Sinclair tool is inserted through the chamber end of the action and obtains the desired overall length measurement in a two-step operation. It is an extremely accurate method when performed using a fired unsized cartridge case that was shot in the same barrel you are working with. The tool consists of a stainless steel measuring rod, two stop collars with parallel surfaces, and an action guide. Below are the steps for obtaining the measurement in a bolt-action rifle, but the steps for the other types of rifles are essentially the same.
Using a Sinclair Seating Depth Tool with Comparator
- Remove the bolt from the rifle and set it aside.
- Drop the bullet you want to use into the chamber making sure that the point drops straight in and that the bullet is resting in the throat. This step is best done with the unloaded rifle standing on end with the muzzle on a piece of carpet or a towel.
- Place the correct size guide into the action and lock it in place like a bolt.
- Insert the measuring rod into the guide and move it forward until the end contacts the base of the bullet. Push lightly to ensure the bullet is fully contacting the rifling.
- Slide one of the stop collars with the large diameter forward onto the measuring rod until it contacts the back of the bolt guide.
- While maintaining light pressure on the bullet, make sure the guide handle is fully forward and then lock the stop collar in place with the thumbscrew. Remove the entire tool from the rifle.
- Next, remove the bullet from the rifle (SAVE THIS BULLET). It will probably be stuck lightly into the rifling so you can push it out from the muzzle end with a cleaning rod or, better yet, drop a smaller caliber bullet down the barrel and it will knock it loose. You can stick a piece of tissue or paper towel into the rear of the action to catch the bullet. The dropped bullet method works well unless you are measuring a .22 caliber. Most of us usually do not have .17 caliber or .20 caliber bullets at hand.
- Insert a case into the chamber by hand (preferably use a fired, unsized case – leave the spent primer in as long as it is flush or slightly below flush). Push the case in most of the way with your finger.
- Place the guide back into the action. Maintain the same orientation of the measuring rod as it was in step 4 and slide the second collar onto the leading end of the rod prior to inserting it into the guide.
- Make sure the large diameter side of the stop collar goes on first so the smaller diameter is oriented towards the end of the measuring rod that will be inserted into the guide. The two stop collars should be positioned so the large diameters are facing each other. If not, we messed up somewhere!
- Slide the assembly into the guide until the end of the rod comes in contact with the case head. Use the measuring rod to push the case firmly into the chamber until the shoulder seats tightly.
- Push the second stop collar up against the guide while maintaining pressure against the case and lock the thumbscrew.
- 13. Remove the measuring tool from the action along with the guide. You can push the case out with a cleaning rod or simply insert your bolt, the extractor should engage the extractor groove, and you can remove the case.
- Using calipers, measure the distance between the stop collars by placing the blades on the outside edge of the large diameter. Make sure you keep the caliper blades in full contact with the stop collars to get a good measurement. We may remeasure a couple of times to make sure we are getting a consistent measurement. Write this measurement down. It is the distance from the bolt face to the base of the particular bullet you used.
- To get the total overall length, take the measurement from step 14 and add it to the length of the bullet. Measure the bullet from base to ogive using a bullet comparator. Save this bullet in a tube or small plastic bag.
Now you have an overall length of a round that touches the rifling for that particular bullet and that barrel. Let’s look at a tool originally made by Stoney Point Products (now Hornady) that does about the same job in a different way.
The Hornady/Stoney Point OAL Gauge is an easy tool to use and, we use it occasionally. It is not as accurate as the Sinclair tool because it uses factory new cases as part of the construction of the tool. The variations in headspace between the factory sized cases and your rifle’s chamber are what can cause the inaccuracy. But, it is a good safe tool to use and we do recommend it to a lot of handloaders because it is very simple to use. The Hornady tool requires you to purchase specially modified cases for each cartridge you reload, but they are relatively inexpensive.
The Hornady/Stoney Point tool uses a special modified case that threads onto a hollow tube containing a lockable pushrod that runs through the center. Hornady makes the modified cases for most common cartridges (approximately 87 at the time of this writing). The modified cases are factory new cases that have been drilled and tapped through the case head so they can mount to the tool. They also have the case neck opened up a few thousandths over bullet diameter. If you load wildcat cartridges you can send a couple of fired cartridges to Hornady and they will drill and tap them for you (for a small fee).
Using a Hornady OAL Gauge with Sinclair Comparator
- Begin by threading the modified case onto the OAL Gauge, and then loosen the thumbscrew on the side of the tube. This thumbscrew holds the pushrod in place. Withdraw the pushrod into the tube and insert a bullet into the cartridge case neck. The pushrod should be positioned so a small portion of the bullet is sticking out of the case neck. This is not critical, just don’t have it too far out of the case neck because will fall out when you try to insert the tool into your action.
- Remove your rifle bolt and insert the complete tool into the action, case and bullet first.
- Push the back end of the tube firmly so the modified case seats into the chamber.
- While holding the tube in place, gently slide the pushrod forward until you feel the bullet meet the rifling. Gentle pressure on the pushrod is enough. Too much pressure and you will actually begin seating the bullet partway into the rifling, which will result in an erroneous measurement.
- While maintaining pressure on both the tube and the pushrod, turn the thumbscrew to lock the pushrod in place.
- Withdraw the entire assembly from the firearm. The bullet will probably stick in the rifling. Push the bullet out with a cleaning rod or drop a smaller caliber bullet down the barrel to dislodge it as described earlier.
- Place the bullet back into the neck of the modified case and measure the overall length of the cartridge with a bullet comparator. This measurement is the length of a loaded round with the bullet touching the rifling (for that particular bullet). Write this measurement down and save the bullet as a reference.
There are other ways to measure seating depth from the bolt face to the bullet touching the rifling. Both methods are less accurate than the two above and can be dangerous. The first is the older method of smoking the surface of the bullet with a candle and then trying different seating depths until you can just begin to see the engraving of the rifling on the smoked bullet surface. This can be time consuming and inaccurate. A smoked bullet will usually not show the rifling marks until it is forced into the rifling at least 0.005” to 0.010”. If the rifling engraves the bullet to the point where the marks appear horizontal to the bullet’s center line, you can be sure that the bullet has been forced into the rifling at least 0.015” to 0.020”. If for some reason, you want to use this method, MAKE SURE YOU USE A DUMMY ROUND WITH NO POWDER AND NO PRIMER. NEVER, EVER CHAMBER A LOADED ROUND WHEN MEASURING SEATING DEPTH. There have been several accidents involving handloaders using this method. Never place a loaded round into your firearm unless your weapon is pointed downrange on a live fire range.
Another method of obtaining the overall length is to place a bullet into the chamber (bullet only) and hold it against the throat with a piece of dowel rod or a pencil. Then insert a cleaning rod or a long wooden dowel rod into the muzzle until it contacts the tip of the bullet. Draw a line on the rod at the muzzle. Push the bullet out and replace the bolt so it is in the closed position (make sure it is empty). Leave the bolt in the cocked position so the firing pin doesn’t affect the measurement. Push the dowel or cleaning rod down the barrel until it contacts the bolt face. A second line is drawn on the rod at the muzzle. The difference between the two drawn lines is the overall length of the round with that particular bullet touching the rifling. This method is not very accurate due to the difficulty of getting your pencil lines exactly at the muzzle and the inaccuracy of measuring between pencil lines. A pencil line itself can measure around 0.030” to 0.050”. This same method can be done using small stop collars placed on the rod and measuring the distance between them. There are several documented accidents with shooters leaving a rod in the barrel after using this method. One of these accidents resulted in severe backpressure, which unfortunately resulted in the shooter’s death.
We highly recommend using the Sinclair or Hornady tool. These are the most accurate and safest tools to use. Regardless of the method used, you now have an overall length of the cartridge with the bullet touching the rifling. You can go ahead and set up the seater so it is ready to seat bullets after you throw powder. Set up the bullet seater using the measurements obtained and the bullets used to acquire the measurements.
First, make up a dummy round with the bullet used in the measurements. A dummy round is a cartridge with no primer and no powder. The cases you reject during sorting are excellent for this task. The dummy round you build will serve as your benchmark for future adjustments to seating depth. You can also use this dummy round to measure throat erosion (see highlighted area at the end of this article). Make the dummy round the same length as the measured overall length. Let’s setup the seater to make the dummy round.
Regardless of the bullet seater, run the bullet seating stem up high enough so that at the top of the stroke on your press the bullet is just barely seated into the case. If you are using a hand die run the stem up high enough so that after fully compressing the seating stem cap the bullet is barely seated. Begin adjusting the seater stem down, each time checking the overall length of the round with the same bullet comparator you used earlier. The goal is to get the seater adjusted so the dummy round measures the same as the measurement you obtained using your seating depth tool. This task is relatively easy if you have a seater that has a micrometer head built into it. If you don’t, use the following table, which shows some of the more commonly used threads per inch (TPI) used by many die makers when machining the threads on the seating stem; the TPI can be converted to the vertical movement of the seating stem when it is rotated. For example, a 90-degree (1/4 turn) clockwise turn on a standard Redding seating stem (20 TPI) is equivalent to about 0.013” of downward bullet movement.
Threads Per Inch Chart/Degrees of Rotation
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TPI
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90°
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180°
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270°
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360°
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16
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.016″
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.031″
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.047″
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.063″
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18
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.014″
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.028″
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.042″
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.056″
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20
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.013″
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.025″
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.038″
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.050″
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24
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.010″
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.021″
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.031″
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.042″
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28
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.009″
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.018″
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.027″
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.036″
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32
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.008″
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.016″
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.023″
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.031″
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An easy way to adjust seating depth on hand bullet seaters is referenced below in the shaded box.
Adjusting Seating Depth on Hand Style Bullet Seaters
If you are using hand dies to seat bullets and your die doesn’t have a micrometer head, there is a relatively quick and accurate way to adjust your seating die. Pull the cap and stem out of the seating die, measure the length of the cap and stem with your calipers and record the measurement. Loosen the setscrew that holds the stem in place, rotate the stem in the direction needed to either increase or shorten the overall length, then measure the cap and stem again. If you are trying to increase the overall length, the cap and stem should be shorter than the original noted length by the amount of change needed. If you are trying to shorten the overall length, the cap and stem should measure longer than the original length by the amount of change needed.
Once you have the seater set to the overall length so the bullet is just touching the rifling and your dummy round is constructed, you can move on. Write the measurement down with a fine-tip felt marker on the dummy round. If it measures 2.065”, write that on the side of the case. Also, write the date and the words “On rifling” or “OAL”. This will remind you later what the dummy round is for. Put that round away in a safe place. An empty pill bottle or cleaning brush tube is an excellent storage container. You may want to reference this baseline round later for checking throat erosion or further adjustments to seating depth. Write this information down in your logbook. Record the date, the bullet (brand, weight, type, and lot#), and the number of rounds through the barrel at the time of measurement. If you have more than one bullet comparator make sure your records indicate the comparator you used because a year from now you won’t remember – it will make a difference.
Initial Bullet Seating Depth
You have determined what the overall length of a round is when the bullet is touching the rifling. That is your baseline for that particular bullet. You don’t necessarily want to begin with that particular seating depth. In a few cartridges (especially wildcats), fire-forming is necessary, and this is usually best done with the bullet just touching the rifling. In most cartridges the forming that occurs in the chamber is minor and no special seating depth is needed to help “blow out” the cartridge.
We suggest starting out at 0.010” to 0.015” off of the rifling for .22 caliber centerfire cartridges and at about 0.010” off for larger calibers. This is just an initial starting point; each rifle and cartridge will be different. For your first loads in load testing, we suggest assembling all of your rounds with the same seating depth and vary your powder selection and/or bullet selection. Be careful about starting with the bullet touching the rifling, especially with initial loads for the cartridge. If the bullet is touching the rifling, chamber pressures will definitely increase.
| CAUTION Seating a bullet to touch the rifling will normally increase the chamber pressure with respect to the loads you are currently using. Reduce your normal load and work your way up or down until you develop a load that is both accurate and safe. Be careful to not exceed the measured overall length. |
Set up your seater now so it is ready to use after throwing powder. Let’s use the example of setting the seating depth so the bullet is 0.015” off the rifling. Use the measurement you obtained for touching the rifling and adjust the bullet seater so it will produce loaded rounds 0.015” shorter than the OAL measurement. Use the thread pitch chart above or your seater’s micrometer if it has one. Use your bullet comparator in this step instead of measuring to the bullet tip. Either seat a bullet into an empty case and measure or check the measurement on the first live load you make and adjust accordingly. You can always earmark these first couple of rounds as “foulers” if the bullet seating depth comes out a little short.
Now you are ready to go and do some testing at the range. If you have the time and enjoy your time at the range; a Sinclair Arbor Press and Wilson Bullet Seater, a powder measure with stand, scale, and a bullet comparator with calipers makes it easy to try different loads at the range. You can prepare a batch of cases and have them ready to try different powders, bullets, and of course seating depth changes. This is an outstanding way to spend a quiet morning or afternoon at the range!
| Using Seating Depth to Measure Throat Erosion You can easily measure and observe throat erosion using the Sinclair tool or the Hornady tool for finding overall length. Regardless of which tool you use, record the overall length by building a dummy round or record the length and save the bullet used to find the overall length. After you have fired a number of rounds through your barrel, use the same bullet to measure the overall length again. The overall length should be longer due to the throat erosion that has occurred. The barrel steel, the cartridge, the powder, and how hot your load is will all affect the amount of throat erosion which occurs. In most cases, changing your overall length to maintain the same relationship to the throat will keep your rifle shooting accurately. |


March 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Your article was very informative. I use a variation of the brass rod with collar method and it works well for me but I may go to the Sinclair or Hornady tool now that I can see the accuracy advantage. Thanks, Ken
March 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Thanks… You just made my life easier…
Now I understand things a bit better… Thanks…
March 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Good article that was BADLY needed.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Very good article. I am fairly new at reloading but I have come to realize the importance of adjusting the OAL for each rifle. I have wondered however, if once the correct “jump” is determined for a given rifle and bullet, measured OAL at the Ogive, would that same ogive OAL work for all other bullets in that gun or is that an over simplefication? Does the correct Ogive OAL have to be determined for each different brand of bullet?
March 31st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
A very good explanation. Do you anticipate Hornady will have a dummy case for their measuring tool in 6.5 Creedmore any time soon? Thanks.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:33 am
The subject of frebore. I have a new remungton 700 And canot reach the lands and fit the bullet in to the reciever.
April 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I’ve been using the Stoney Point and later the Hornady L-N-L tool for measuring the OAL of my chambers for the last seven years. I learned early on that measurements using Stoney Point Modified Cases were not as accurate as I would like them to be. So I resorted to your suggestion for improving the accuracy of the OAL measurements. What I do is fire a couple of rounds (either factory ammo or wildcat) and send them to Hornady for modification. Before I do that I turn the necks and/or ream them so the modified case will hold the bullet snugly yet fit my chamber. (Most of my chambers are tight-neck)
I just recently sent to 6.5 Creedmoor cases to Hornady. Perhaps you can send this info to Jeff Howard
April 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am
There is an easier way to measure your rifle’s seating depth, but it doesn’t do much for selling new tools.
Take a resized case and put a split in the neck with a dremel. This will leave a neck which is tight but springy. Now by hand, insert a bullet in the case as shallow as possible. Insert in the chamber and close the bolt. This will push the bullet back into the case to its “touching length”. Remove and measure with any devise designed to measure OAL to ogive. I have an old set of the Stoney Point Comparator. That is your primary measurement, and your starting point for testing. As stated in the article, a tight fit against the lands increases pressure, so I usually back off at least .005″ for beginning testing.
April 20th, 2009 at 10:42 am
The article doesn’t clarify why you are testing for depth. Accuracy is discovered by finding when the bullet exits the barrel. If on the extremes of the synewave is best. In the middle is erratic. Think about a pendelum. The barrel oscillates much like Elmer Fudd’s barrel when shooting that pesky rabbit. A pendelum has a momentary stop on either extreme of the oscillation, but is moving fast in the middle. Find the extreme of the oscillation by changing when the bullet exits by changing bullet depth.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I have been using the OAL gauge and Bullet Comparators for a while now. It was a great purchase. Before, I was in the infancy of my reloading and always had a hard time figuring out what was what. Since my purchase it has raised my confidence level and my groups have shrunk. Now if a rifle will not shoot less than 1MOA at 100 yards, I don’t want it. Most everything I own is around .5MOA and loving it. Products like these make it easy to buy something else that “might” help accuracy nuts.
April 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Great information and with additional comments a rather complete picture emerges. Mr. Tune leaves out the answer of how you can tell if you have achieved bullet departure at the extreme of the synewave if it is other than the smallest groups – which leaves a fair amount to the shooter’s ability and a number of groups of different bullet seating depths fired over severals days to avearge out the group sizes. This would seem a less than optimal solution so I ask if there is another one that reduces the effect of shooter error.
A fair hand with a drill press and a tap and die set ought to enable the home production of fire formed – as in fired but unresized – cases to use with the Hornady OAL Lock N’ Load tool.
Be that as it may I am at the point where I am seeking all the accuracy that my rifles will produce so one of these tools is on the “will purchase list”. Will it be before the neck reamer though, that is the question…
May 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 am
The “The barrel oscillates much like Elmer Fudd’s barrel when shooting that pesky rabbit.” is a fair description and finding each rifles’ sweet spot by tweaking every conceivable item in the process is what we are all about. After studying, reading and listening but before reloading knowing where the copper meets the steel is the real beginning of the process of fine tuning. Therefore, knowing exactly where this union occurs is extremely useful and also after a thousand rounds or less depending on how hot the load.
BTW: Elmer’s rifle was 2d ours are 3d … would that Varmint Als great blog show a end view of the barrels gyrations prior to the bullet leaving the bore.
Very good article.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Jeff W’s Comment about producing home made fireformed cartridges for Stoney Point chamber measuring tool. I make my own cases a 5/16 x 36P tap with proper size drill is what you need for this prodject. Google Search helped me locate the tap. Sorry I can’t remember the tool supply company but they are in the Reno,Nevada area. “O’B”
August 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 am
This is a good read – but leaves out how to determine if throat erosion has become excessive and unusable. Can I presume that if the bullet can no longer be seated very far into the case the throat has eroded too far?
August 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Yes, if you cant seat a bullet into the case enough to hold it in place, that may indicate your throat is worn.
Another good indicator is the measurements you took with all the projectile you bought when you got the gun.
I measure the complete inventory of possible projectiles so I KNOW , EXACTLY how much throat erosion has occurred.
September 2nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I have the Hornady LNL gauge. My question is, does it have any effect on pressures when the bullet barely seats in the case? For example, I load .308 win for my remington 700. When I find the rifling using 155 Sierra match kings the bullet seats at 2.928. The rear end of the boattail touches the case at 2.961. This only gives me .033 in the case. I usually back off .010-.020, so this would give me a max of .053 actually seated in the case, not counting the boattail because it doesn’t touch the case. I normally load 168 grain bullets so this has never been an issue. Will this be safe or should I give the bullets to someone with an auto.
Thanks, Matt.
October 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I recently purchased some 124 grain Remington Golden Sabers to reload 9mm self defense ammo. I could not find any Golden Saber specific reloading information. I couldn’t find how deep to seat the bullet, (the Golden Saber has the driving band around the heel of the bullet). I seated the Golden Saber bullets to the Hornady 124 grain XTP C.O.L. After I had reloaded the ammunition I had the opportunity to examine some factory Golden Saber ammuntion and was surprised to see that the bullet was seated no deeper than the leading edge of the driving band. This produced a much longer round than the ammunition I had reloaded. I am now worried about the possibility of increased pressure because of the increased seating depth. Would you recommend I pull the bullets, or fire one round and check for any signs of high pressure? I only reloaded 50 rounds and have not fired any of the Golden Saber reloads. (1.125 factory Golden Sabre C.O.L. vs 1.060 published XTP C.O.L.)
January 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Matt:
You need to determine if you have enough neck tension. If not, you shouldn’t shoot that bullet seated so far out.
May 4th, 2010 at 4:16 am
thanks has made my life a lot easier!
May 6th, 2010 at 2:36 am
If seating to just off the lands, say .002, am I likely to experience problems with imcomplete powder burns, as I use the slowest rate of burn powders that occupy most, if not all the case capicity, and even compressed loads depending on my bullet choice allowing. And is it likely my pressures will rise, or fall, when sesting as close to the lands as possible? I’m kind of asking to long after the fact, considering I’ve been loading in this manner for 25 plus years without any obvious problems. And one last question regarding a never before experienced cituation. I aquired some nickel brass and would like to know how, or if, that might effect pressures with my current slow powders, and seating depth.
Thanks,
Michael
June 8th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Hello Michael
Thanks for your question.
To answer you, seating depth in relation to the distance from the lands should not affect the efficiency of the powder burning completely, if it is a powder/bullet combination that has performed well for you in previous occasions. However, the closer you are to the lands, you will see an increase in pressure, and this should be approached with caution, especially with hot/compressed loads. If you want to try closer to the lands, we suggest reducing your load for safety reasons.
Many bullets perform very well with some jump. In most of my rifles I have found that jump of .020″ to .030″ has been the “sweet spot”. This will differ from rifle to rifle, and bullet to bullet.
As for your nickel plated brass, we suggest it not be reloaded for a few reasons: First of all it is hard on dies, the nickel is harder than brass, and can scratch and ruin a good set of dies. Second, it is hard to size, it must be undersized to achieve the proper sizing. Third, nickel plating is used for corrosive conditions such as hunting, and is designed to be shot and “left”.
I hope this helps you out. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact our reloading technicians at 1-800-717-8211.
Good Shooting
Pete Petros
Lead Reloading Technician
Sinclair International
July 7th, 2010 at 11:12 am
You define throat as:
“Throat/Leade – Interchangeable with leade. The throat is located just forward of the chamber and is the tapered entrance leading to where the rifling begins in the barrel. The throat is an area of the rifling that has been relieved/machined to allow the bullet clearance prior to reaching the rifling. This is sometimes referred to as the unrifled section of the bore or free bore.”
There seems to be a lot of variation in the definitions of this part of the chamber, but if I’m not mistaken, there are two sections. The first, immediately in front of the neck, is cylindrical (not normally tapered as you define), leaving room for the (cylindrical) bearing surface of the bullet that extends out of the neck; the rifling is completely cut away. The second, in front of that, is tapered at some small angle (e.g. 1.5 degrees) which is the ramp up into the full rifling, leaving room for the ogive of the bullet. I guess pistol cartridges have no cylindrical section, just a “forcing cone”, but they are not known for accuracy.
July 11th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I have a new Savage LRPV in 22-250. I use the Hornady tool, and have found it to be very accurate. I’ve noticed that a factory round when loaded to the maximum of 2.350 oal, will have jump of .162 to the lands (with a Hornady 55gr Ballistic Tip). Does that seam excessive?