Military and “Once Fired” Brass — Deal or No Deal?

Military brass, range brass, “once fired” brass bought at a gun show. We are all looking for ways to save money these days on reloading components.  Buying new brass is always the best way especially if you are just starting out as a reloader. The staff at Sinclair suggests that even the more experienced reloader follow this advice for the safety and aggravation issues that “used” brass may cause.

What are some of the pitfalls we may encounter by using brass that has not been fired in the rifle we intend to reload for? Well first of all we have to realize that brass is a very “elastic” metal and it has a “memory”. When a new piece of brass is fired in a rifle, that is the last step in its forming process and as a result it will try to “spring back” to that form after resizing. This is why brass that was not fired in your rifle’s chamber may not fit even after full length sizing. This is especially true for military brass that may have been fired in an automatic weapon – these weapons usually have very large chambers in them to aid in feeding and extraction. You may be able to get around this sizing issue with a “small base” full length die that will size your brass down to a point below where the spring back will be reduced to a point where it will chamber in your rifle but don’t count on it. In any event we suggest having a Wilson or some other type of case gage on your bench to check your resized brass for headspace, trim length and spring back of the case body. Also when it comes to military brass it has generally has thicker walls due to the fact that it is designed for rough handling and long storage so you should start with the lowest powder charge listed for your bullet, cartridge, powder combination and work up from there while looking for pressure signs. Other issues with military brass include the crimped in primers, badly off center flash holes and Berdan primed cases (two flash holes) instead of Boxer primed cases (standard one flash hole). You can check your cases to determine whether they are Berdan or Boxer primed by looking down through the case mouth. Do this before you try to de-prime any fired cartridges of unknown origin. If the cases are Berdan primed I suggest you discard them.

Now that we have touched on the down side of military and range brass, what are some of the procedures and tools we need to process this brass to where it may be useable again? In my case I was given a large amount of 5.56×45 brass that was known to be once fired out of M-16 military shooting team rifles so I knew right off the bat what I was dealing with, you may not know where your military brass came from so my suggestions may not work for all situations. My first step was to clean all this brass in hot soapy water to remove all the mud and spiders. I rinsed it and then let it sit in the sun to dry. An RCBS decapping die (#87580) was used to remove all the primers before tumbling. This die was used instead of a full length or neck die because I don’t like running brass that may still have some gunk on it through my reloading dies to prevent damage to them. Step two was to run the brass through a Redding small base full length die (RD91323) with the carbide expander ball upgrade kit (RD48223). The set up on the die in the press is so the base of the die is just above the shell holder with the press ram fully raised. In some situations the die may have to be set up so that you “cam over” the press ram to get a little extra shoulder bump if you need it. Step three is to check the resized piece of brass with a Wilson .223 Remington case gage (W223G).What this case gage will tell us is:

1. Have the case body and shoulder sprung back so the case will not fit in the gage? (If so discard the piece and go to the next case)

2. If the case does go into the gage, is the case head above the top of the base of the case gage? If so, adjust the full length die down so the press cams over, then resize the piece and try it in the gage again. If the case head is still above the top of the gage, discard it.

3.I f the case head is below the second step of the Wilson gage you are pushing the shoulder back too far and you need to readjust the die up away from the shoulder until the case head of the sized case falls between the top and bottom steps of the gage.

4. If the case mouth protrudes above the top step of the case gage we need to trim the case to the proper length.

Now we need to remove the crimp from around the primer pocket so we can re-prime the case. To do this you can use a primer pocket swaging tool from RCBS or Dillon. If you have a Wilson trimmer you can use a Wilson primer pocket reamer (Small Rifle – WR175, Large Rifle – WR210). I use one of our Wilson/Sinclair deburring tool and holder kits (05-150) with the inside case mouth chamfering end out along with a Skil electric screw pistol I got from Home Depot (about $25.00). Be careful not to take too much brass out of the primer pocket using this method.

Now it’s time to load up a few “dummy” rounds to test their function through the rifle. If the dummy rounds manually feed and extract okay, load up a few live test rounds using the lowest powder charge listed for your cartridge, bullet, powder combination and test them out at the range. If you are good to go there, start working up your load in small increments looking for pressure signs as you go along. Remember, military brass is thicker and heavier than standard brass so it has less capacity and you will probably see pressure signs before you get to the maximum load listed.

Be safe and good shooting!

Phil H.

Sinclair International Reloading Technician

Certified NRA Metallic Reloading Instructor

Certified NRA Shot Shell Reloading Instructor

6 Responses to “Military and “Once Fired” Brass — Deal or No Deal?”

  1. Bob Schmuck Says:

    Very helpful – thank you. Will also pass this along to my reloading customers.

  2. Joe Reno Says:

    Phil…

    Nice artical. I wish I had read it last year before I bought 500 pieces of LC “pulled’, unfired 7.62X51 brass. I knew before I started that I would have to do many of the operations you suggested but I didn’t count on the necks being coated with some sort of tar, I’m sure it was meant to waterproof the cartridges, but… what a pain in the butt. I under-estimated the thicker wall aspect of NATO brass and was very surprised at how tight the bolt was on my 1903-A3 after firing. That’s when the tar issue really raised it’s ugly head. I had to pull the other dozen or so bullets I had loaded and step down the charge a bit but found that pulling them was wayyyy harder than any other bullets I have pulled using my Hornady collet type puller. I ended up with all of the brass in a can of solvent and a .32 cal brush in my drill press and wearing thick rubber gloves scrubbing out each case neck. I would have been much better served just waiting for the backordered factory brass. Anyway… Thanks for the hind sight (20-20 you know).
    Joe

  3. Bobby Hernandez Says:

    I tried resizing some previously fired .308 cal Hornady Match brass in my Redding die, and discovered that it wouldn’t chamber despite following the set up instructions for full case resizing. I kept lowering the die until it made full contact with the top of I tried resizing some previously fired .308 cal Hornady Match brass in my Redding die, and discovered that it wouldn’t chamber despite following the set up instructions for full case resizing. I kept lowering the die until it made full contact with the top of the shell holder. It wasn’t until then that the cartridge was able to chamber. I did a bit of resizing but it appears to have worked. I haven’t gone further in reloading these pieces of brass. Should I be contemplating a problem here. What I ended up doing to chamber the cartridge was nothing mentioned in the instructions, but it appears to work. The rifle is a .308 cal Remington 700.

    I’ve full sized other brands of brass for this same rifle and have never run into this situation. I’m not going further until I hear from you.

  4. Kevin Tlachac Says:

    I am doing this right now, prepping Lake City brass I purchased at a gun show. The brass had already been, resized, deprimed and crimp removed. What I am finding is on a few cases, after firing, I’m getting blow back through the primer pocket. Not many, but a few here and there. Some brass, it looks like, just a bad job of removing the crimp, still nothing I’m to worry about, I just toss those and move on. I also separated them by headstamp and am treating each as its own brand, so to speak. I also found that the headspace measurement was “more” on the once fired brass, which is good as I am able to bring it to my chamber measurement by simply resizing full length. I am also cleaning up the case necks by turning and deburring the flash holes. All and all it has been a pleasant experience working with this brass, and of course, the savings have been astronomical as I bought this brass in June of ‘08. Pricing it now, it is worth tinkering with it. And, it is also 3 deg. outside with a wind-chill in the double digits below zero, might as well make good use of my time. Accuracy out of my untuned Rem VTR, 223 and 55 gr V-max has been in the 3/4″ range for 5 shots, minute of coyote for sure. Kevin

  5. Paul Adamowski Says:

    Hi Phil:
    Great article. I am currently at procession round 2500 of newly acquired LC brass. One thought you presented is playing with my mind. In your last sentence, you acknowledge that Military Brass is thicker and heavier and consequently does not have the powder or gas volume of commercial cartridges. If I can’t get the same amount of powder in as I can in commercially manufactured case, I won’t be approaching the max load as soon and I won’t be seeing the pressure signs earlier than I would for the commerical cases. Small point but I can’t see what I am missing in trying to follow the logic of your statement. The pressure signs would, I suspect be limited to the primer signals in that the webbing is much thicker on a military case than the commercial. Sorry but my beer induced tupor won’t let me see the practicality of your last thought.

  6. admin Says:

    Paul,
    Because the brass is thicker you will reach your maximum velocity with a lower powder charge sooner. For example, my .308 Palma rifle reaches the velocity I need with 47.5 grains of N550 powder in a Lapua case that weighs on average 172.0 grains. To get the same velocity out of a Winchester case that weighs 156.0 grains on average I have to use 48 grains of N550. So I will see pressure signs earlier on the Lapua brass than the Winchester brass as I work my load up in both the primer and case web.
    Hope this helps!
    Take care,
    Phil H.

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